This week Matt and Syd talk with Mikah Sargent about his crush on Milo Thatch from Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
Editor: Matthew Bischoff
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Syd Anderson: Welcome to absolutely crushed a show where your host, Syd Anderson and Matthew Bischoff gossip with a guest about their biggest celebrity or character crush and dive into all the juicy details.
Matthew Bischoff: This week, we're talking to Mikah Sargent about his crush on the animated character. Milo fetch from Disney's Atlantis.
The lost
Syd Anderson: empire. Mikah is a technology enthusiast, a podcaster, and an empathy advocate. He cohosts podcasts, including iOS today. Tech news weekly, the tech guy clockwise and unhelpful suggestions, a tech podcast. He hosts with his friend, Joseph Rosens deal.
Matthew Bischoff: So be before we get into it, Mikah before we get into your crush, just wanna break the ice a little bit.
What are you like watching or reading right now? Completely unrelated. What what's in your media backlog? What are you enjoying
Mikah Sargent: right now? My partner and I are watching a whole heck of a lot of Australian survivor. It is perhaps better than American survivor, which I realize is a bit of a, yeah, that's kind of a, a, a hot take.
Other than that, I listen to thousands of hours of audio books at all times. So I, I mean, any, I really like it's, it's sort of, it's a bit of a guilty pleasure in the sense that it. Not adding anything. What's the word? It's, it's not very I, I just listen to a lot of fantasy books. Okay. That's what I'll say.
So I, I, yeah, it's just, it's fun. You've got
the island vibe going on, which we'll talk about with Atlantis, but you've also got the fantasy vibe going on. I feel like there's some, some commonalities with what we're gonna talk about today.
Oh yeah, absolutely. yeah, indeed. That's, that's pretty much it. I, I.
Because I listen to audio books so much, I don't watch a whole lot of television or movies in particular. Especially these days, I am more of a show. If I, if I'm going to watch something, it tends to be shows which I end up binge watching in a lot of cases. And so it's longer than movie length, but there's something about it.
I don't know. There's something about movies that I just, I don't, I don't really like movies.
Syd Anderson: I'm absolutely the same way. Oh, I always wanna just binge watch a show. I can't sit down and watch a movie. I'm like very bad
Mikah Sargent: about that. Yeah. I don't know what it is. Cuz again, you often end up taking more time over the course of it, watching a bunch of mm-hmm and so it's not the time commitment.
I just, maybe I don't trust that a movie is going to be. Worth the time in the end, because if you think about it like a show, if after the first episode, I'm like, eh, I can turn away, but to commit to the full movie as a whole, I don't know. I I've never really analyzed it. Yeah.
Syd Anderson: That makes sense. I, I totally get what you're saying.
Alrighty. So onto the topic Alanis, the lost empire. Can you describe the movie for us? Like give us a brief, like summary? What, like how would you describe the movie?
Mikah Sargent: Yeah, so there's this nerdy, cartographer slash linguist and he basically. He's maintaining his job, but not super happy and has a patriarch of the family who was an adventurer. So he discovers with the help of his grandpa's research that the lost city of Atlantis may exist. And. This whole time.
Everybody thought it was in one place. He realizes it's in another place. So the movie is about going and finding the lost city of Atlantis to see if they can coming across it. And then sort of look at colonization in the evils of that, and also sort of selfishness and, and taking people's resources versus good winning out in the end and sort of trying to maintain a culture and also moving forward.
And, and so it's, yeah, it's I think he's kind of duped and then they, you know, while they're trying to find this place, they find the place. And then After that they sort of reconcile with everyone's different goals, some mean goals and some good goals. And then the movie end
Matthew Bischoff: that was a great summary.
I'll just add a few things for listeners who haven't seen it. And we'll, we'll, we'll put a, we'll put a spoiler horn before that, cuz you know, if you haven't seen this movie, it did come out in 2001. So I feel like you've had your chance. And like I said, at the top of the show, it is a Disney movie.
It is partially hand drawn and partially CG animated, kind of some weird stuff going on there. Yes. And it didn't do super great at at the Bo box office. It cost 120 million probably around there to make, and it only boxed 186. So Disney didn't really invest in this franchise going forward too much.
But I love, I love that you talked about like the themes, because I, I totally agree that like, there's these themes of like, you know, colonialism, but also exploration and greed and friendship, and like all of those themes come into play throughout the runtime. I think it's like about an hour and 35 minute film.
Yeah. Mm-hmm
Syd Anderson: yeah, absolutely. I agree. I think it's very like, I, one of the things that I wrote down was I love this lightly veiled allegory for white people invading indigenous lands. Like it's, , that's just what it's exactly.
Mikah Sargent: And it's like, no shocker. It didn't do well, an incredibly diverse cast. Yeah. With a actors who actually in many cases were the race that they were portraying on, on screen.
And then this, yeah, this allegory here, this, this tale of looking at white greed and. I'm not surprised that it didn't do well.
Matthew Bischoff: Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what, I wonder what the kids were thinking when they were watching it. I was one of those kids. I saw this movie in theaters when it came out. And I also wonder what the parents were, how the parents were having those conversations.
Yeah. With their kids. I don't, I don't think culturally, like folks were very well versed in
Mikah Sargent: those. No. I mean, I know what I was thinking while I was watching it, but it had nothing to do with
Matthew Bischoff: diversity of that. We'll get into that. Don't worry. So tell us a little bit about your nerdy nerdy boy Milo tha who, who
is he?
Milo James tha again, a linguist and a cartographer. I mean, whoof I'm already like, who are you sold immediately? I mean voiced by Michael J. Fox, which that character, I think he plays so well. Nerdy awkward, quirky. I'm already like, I, I love underdogs. I think a lot of people do, but I, I really love underdogs.
One of my, this, this is as an aside, one of my all time favorite characters and my all time. Favorite Pixar film is a bugs life because oh yeah. Flick. I related so much with flick as a kid, be my, my family would sometimes call me the walking encyclopedia and I found it kind of. I was a little bit on the odd kid in the family.
A lot of times who had all these nerdy facts and was, you know, doing these little experiments and whatnot, and sort of in, in the grand scheme of the family, felt a little bit other. And so because of that, I really identified with flick because it was the same thing, you know, had like different ideas and everybody's just like, oh, learns, flick doing this thing.
And I think that the that's why I, I tend to, to identify with an underdog I, I also, in hindsight, I, I, of course at the time, I don't think it would've been yet, but I, yeah, definitely wouldn't have been at this time, but I mean he studies dead languages. Mm-hmm and so now I also adore him for that because I studied Latin throughout high school.
Oh. So did I
let's talk about that. Oh, nice. Let's talk about that for a moment. So how many years of Latin did you, did you take and why did you choose
Mikah Sargent: to take. So there were four years offered. It was really interesting. Well not starting out. It wasn't interesting. It was just kind of like my reasoning is because I I'm I always in high school in particular there was this sort of inbuilt desire to.
Do something or do things that were different from like the, the norm or what's expected. Yeah. And so, you know, you've got Spanish, it's like, oh yeah, I could take Spanish, but come on. It might be useful.
Matthew Bischoff: But I mean,
Mikah Sargent: yeah, exactly useful, but And so I was thinking about taking Latin and I was, you know, you get this little course catalog.
And I was showing my family and my grandma recognized the name of the teacher. And she said, I think I went to high school with her. And so that kind of, I just, for some reason, I was like, oh, okay. I mean, what, you know, what did you think about her, et cetera, et cetera. And she liked her at the time.
And so I thought I'm gonna try Latin. And I got in there and to this day, Nancy Briggs, my Latin teacher is one of my favorite teachers I've ever had. Shout out Nancy. She's incredible. Shout.
Matthew Bischoff: We'll send, this'll send this over to Nancy first thing, as soon as it's
Mikah Sargent: up these Briggs. Yeah. In fact, my. My grandma had a high school reunion, I think last year.
And I thought, oh, you know, she's not probably not gonna remember me, but just in case I sent a little video to my grandma to show her if she wanted to. And you know, Spoke a little bit of Latin and, and she did remember me or pretended to, as some teachers do I know what did you
really
Matthew Bischoff: say in Latin Mikah?
What did you say in Latin?
Mikah Sargent: Yeah, I, well, I said Salway Matra, which is just hello teacher. Oh, goodness. What was it? Because I also used my Latin name, which in LA in the class, my name was SI use. So I would've said like I am, I am SI use and I am doing well or, you know, things are going well or something like that.
That's
Matthew Bischoff: adorable. That's something Milo would totally
Syd Anderson: do. Oh, a hundred percent. That's so wholesome. I love
that's
Mikah Sargent: so sweet. Is that so much and like, that's the other thing that I like about Milo is there is. And innocence to his wonder to his to his knowledge, like he is willing to run the boiler and be in the basement and pretend to give a pitch to just some masks that are, you know, set up in front of him because he may have been do it's clear.
They make it clear that he's been doing this for a while. And despite all of those setbacks, like his love. Of the pursuit of knowledge is so much more powerful than, you know, any kind of, of letdown that he has. And then there's something to love. I think about a person who's a little bit. Poor at reading the room.
Yeah.
Matthew Bischoff: He's an awkward boy. He is. I mean, he is an awkward, he's an awkward 32 year old man, but still oh,
Mikah Sargent: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess he is. He's a, he's a little bit older, you know, a little confession too, is that the other Disney character that I had a crush on at the time was. I think his name's Jack of treasure planet.
Yes. But I felt a little odd cuz he's 15. Yeah. Like at the time that would've been fine, but I just thought, mm, I think I'll rather talk about Milo James that yeah. We we've
Matthew Bischoff: yet to deal with we've yet to deal with that problem. Yeah. But I'm sure it will come up. I, I, I, I yeah, probably better
Syd Anderson: to pick Milo speaking of treasure planet though.
Like when we, when I was, I watched this movie with my partner and. When we pulled it up, treasure planet was right next to us. And both of us were like, they're the same. They, in our heads, they like occupy the exact same space. Like, yeah. I'm like, they just feel like the same kind of movie, but yeah, that it would've, I think we made the right choice with Milo seeing the, I didn't realize he was that old.
I thought he was, I don't know how old I thought he was, but I did not realize he was in his thirties, in my
Mikah Sargent: head. He's in his twenties. Me too. I, I just, I, and, you know, That's my head cannon. So ,
Syd Anderson: that's what matters.
Matthew Bischoff: well, let's, let's get into some other, let's get into some other head cannon stuff while, while we're talking about head cannons.
I, when I watch this movie, I wonder what is Milo's sexual orientation? What, what, when, when you look at him and the way he behaves in this film, like, is he straight? Is he
Mikah Sargent: not straight? What do you think? Okay, so this is the other thing is that I. I'm a little bit disappointed in my younger self because my, no, I'm not truly, but jokingly disappointed in my younger self, because I did not realize that I was bisexual yet.
I had a crush on both of the leading characters, princess Keda and like Milo James sta I, at the time I recognized my little crush on princess. Keda. But it wasn't until later that I was like, oh man, I really had eyes for, for Milo James that as well, look, it's important to me that a person tells me who they are and that, that is how I choose to perceive them and, and understand them and converse with them and, you know, sort of know them.
Absolutely. And so. Yeah. Like we can only take cues and of course it's just, it's an animated show, right? Yeah.
Matthew Bischoff: Milo's never gonna tell us and Disney's never gonna tell us. So we, you know, we, we we'd only have so much to go on here.
Mikah Sargent: There wasn't enough bisexual lighting in this film to really kind of drive home the fact.
But I. I just, I, I wanna believe that. Yeah. Yeah. He's I think, I think Milo might be a little bye.
Matthew Bischoff: Yeah. Milo is by, in my head for sure. He has extremely by energy to me, just the way he dresses and moves does not seem particularly straight. Can you even say that that someone is straight, if they're falling in love with someone of a completely different species, like it doesn't even map, right?
It
Mikah Sargent: doesn't even map. Yeah. That's a good point also him. And what is it? Sweet. Yeah, there's a little thing there. No, there's, there's, there's a lot
Matthew Bischoff: of things. Oh
Syd Anderson: yeah. I feel. He's also just like beloved by bisexuals also. Like, I feel like he's a very big, like bisexual crush, like the same way that I feel like everyone's like, oh, I knew I was bisexual because I watched the mummy and was in love with both of the leads.
I feel like a lot of, a lot of other people are like, oh, I watched like Atlantis and I'm in love with Milo and princess Keta and like, I feel like it's a big one.
Mikah Sargent: yeah, they they're a by duo it's they are absolutely true. I love that. I did it. When did you
Matthew Bischoff: first see this movie? How old were you? And, and, and when did this crush
Mikah Sargent: develop?
So let's see if it was 2001. Let's do some math here or let my computer do some math. I would've been like maybe 10. 11. Yeah, me too, somewhere around there. Watching it. And so I I don't know what grade that would've put me in. That's like fifth, fifth, fifth. Okay. Fifth grade. Yeah. It's around fifth grade.
Yeah, because I remember. Having the, a bunch of different happy meal, or I dunno if it was like the burger king version of happy meal toys, whatever it was, the little toys. I had a necklace that lit up with the crystal Uhhuh. You were so into it and I think. One of those little cars that they, or vehicles that they drive around.
Yeah, I was super, super into it at that point. Just because, yeah, I, there was something about this film that really resonated with me as well, even aside from my, my little crush and I think it was so. At the time my family was super religious. And I say that as, as its own separate kind of thing in regard or in comparison to, you know, faithfulness or sure.
Having beliefs. Yeah. So religious and
Matthew Bischoff: fr from the Latin EO to bind, maybe
there
Mikah Sargent: you go. And so with that we were. Not just religious, but there was a mixture of, of Baptist beliefs and Pentecostal beliefs. And so for folks who might not know that is in particular, a belief in what they call the powers of the holy spirit and or the gifts of the holy spirit.
And so this is this idea that. God's people who, you know, look to God and walk the path that they're supposed to walk are granted certain gifts, including a gift of tongues, which is a, a type of prayer where it's a communication between you and your day. And it's sort of not translatable in any other way.
And then also things like the ability to heal. Or to channel healing, so to speak. And so growing up, I did think I, you know, was, was taught and did believe that if you prayed hard enough and if you had true faith, even just a mustard seed of faith then you could you know, sort of be cured of a cold or you could, you could help someone else out.
And so I. Craved with all of my being. Magic. You know what I mean? This was supposed to be a magic that I could have in real life, but of course it never materialized of course, because some people do believe that still, but for you, yeah, for me, it never materialized. And so I craved magic in the media that I consumed fascinating to get to live it out there and in my, my fantasies.
And so having those, you know, the little toy that that I could pretend like I could heal and all of that kinda stuff was very rewarding for. Yeah,
Syd Anderson: totally. Have you ever, I mean, I'm assuming you have told people about this crush, but what, what are people's reactions when you tell them that you are in love with Margaret Jane Margaret?
Hmm
Matthew Bischoff: is Milo trans Milo what's happening
Syd Anderson: apparently
Mikah Sargent: with Milo. Usually who that's the, the, the question who, who, who, and
Syd Anderson: what is their reaction? No, no,
Mikah Sargent: no, that's what they respond. Oh, who, who they don't know. They ask me. Who are you talking about? Yeah. They're
Matthew Bischoff: not buy enough to have heard of
Mikah Sargent: Milo and that's exactly it.
My partner when I, it was funny, you mentioned earlier when I mentioned that I had a crush on myo James sta and I said, Atlanta's the lost empire. He said, is that the one with the planet, with the treasure or something along those lines, Uhhuh . And. So it's like, that's a totally separate movie. , I'm
Matthew Bischoff: living for the I'm living for the Atlantis treasure planet crossover.
That is definitely
Mikah Sargent: not that. Yeah. Clearly there needs to be a crossover event. My gosh. But I, yeah, I haven't gotten a lot of response, but when I have sort of shown a person mm-hmm , then they're like, oh, I get it. I get it. I, I have a bit of a type. There was one time there was. Part where princess Keta says you are a scholar, are you not judging from your diminished physique and large forehead?
You are suited for nothing. He tells Milo that Milo has a diminished physique and a large forehead. And I'm like, oh my God, how did you just mark my type? So
Matthew Bischoff: putting that in your Tinder,
Mikah Sargent: don't tell Sebastian. I said that he'll be very upset. wait, but how, how
Matthew Bischoff: similar, how similar is, is Sebastian your partner to to this character?
Or how D.
Mikah Sargent: If Sebastian put on big old glasses, they could very well be the, the same person in sort of, I mean, on our first date, oh my God, he's gonna kill me for telling this story. But on our very first date, one of the things that endeared me to him immediately was at one point, he needed to get up, to use the restroom and.
Yeah, as he got up and started to walk away, he accidentally ran into the table and almost knocked the glass of wine onto the floor. Adorkable
Matthew Bischoff: a
Mikah Sargent: adorkable that's so cute. A thousand percent adorable. And oh my God. Again, this, this, this wholesomeness and sort of driven by an ideal and a core set of beliefs is.
Just like, I just absolutely tugs at, at my heart and is something that, that just absolutely pulls me in that like it's two separate things. It's sort of this driven nature. And then also this It's not a hundred percent an innocence. It is almost an innocence in the face of adversity, like being met with reasons to lose one's innocence, but still choosing to be innocent after that, that is what really touches me.
In Milo James tha and also happens to be kind of what I. Have tended to find attractive about a person. Yeah. I feel like it's that,
Matthew Bischoff: it's that like difference between that you hear discussed a lot between like childlike versus childish. Like he has this childlike sense of wonder about the world and the things that he can discover.
And that is really attractive because so many people become cynical or irony, poisoned or whatever you want to call. As they, as they get to this age, especially, and like, he's just like, no, like all this stuff is cool. I carry around this book. Like I wanna go, go on adventures. And when you actually meet someone like that in real life, it can, it can be just like, wow.
So they, they manage to, they manage to keep that thing alive and
Mikah Sargent: he's like, it, it radiates so much from him that he. Made this group of friends who end up betraying, you know, one of their, their allies, so to speak to be on his side, like that is power. And I think it is because they all did kind of reach this level of, of it.
It's it's, it's a. An inoculation from being jaded that he provides. And I think that's so magical you know, to, to prevail through all of those things. Yeah,
Syd Anderson: absolutely. He's just so passionate about what he does, what he does. He makes everyone he's one of those people who he can make everyone care about what he cares about by.
Just being so excited and ready to learn and share about the thing he's so interested in. Yeah. And it's, that's very endearing to me. I love that quality.
Mikah Sargent: Yeah, absolutely. I tend to like that anyway. You know, sometimes when someone, it may not be a thing that I know anything about, but hearing someone who's passionate about a thing, talk about that thing is just so.
Exciting and interesting and so much fun.
Syd Anderson: Yeah, absolutely. It's so nice.
Mikah Sargent: Yeah. And I mean, you know, watching Milo twiddle those those boiler valves and stuff. Whew. Oh, the hands
Matthew Bischoff: that, oh, let's talk about
Syd Anderson: the hands. That was a major flag. Who was like, I'm gonna flex the fact that I knew about the spoiler.
This is the one thing I know about and I'm flexing and I'm like, oh, it was hilarious. It was so
Mikah Sargent: funny. It was. And especially as an aside, That that was not his main skillset. Yeah. But it was something that sort of gave him an in to be appreciated by the people that he was around, that, that adorable quality was met with a type of competence that they appreciated that like I was, you know, cheering for him in that moment that really.
Yeah. Made me like him even more.
Syd Anderson: And he finally got to be like, appreciated for what he was doing instead of just kind of like the, like at the beginning when, oh yeah. Don't let it happen again, you know? Yeah. When he's just like yelled out by the boss, like not made to be like, he. It seems like they're painting him as incompetent and just kind of like a necessary cog in the machine.
And then when he's in his element, he's getting the like gratitude from people around him for actually like being able to like, be a linguist and like actually translate and like teach these. Yeah.
Mikah Sargent: God, that moment where he's oh my God. He sort serves he's he, he ends they're blushing by the way that sweater that he's yeah, a little bit he ends kinda that sweater that he's wearing.
Tank top. Oh. And he sort of like, slinks forward as he's trying, he's, you know, thinking about how to say the words properly and that conversation is happening and then there's just like DRL coming outta my, no, I'm just kidding. that? That was a particularly I, I remembered that from when I was a kid that moment of, you know, this is what he came to do in particular and it worked so well.
Yeah. So that, that was a stick out moment for me, for sure.
Matthew Bischoff: I feel like we've touched on this a little bit, but like, how would you describe the type of crush? Because I feel like sometimes I have like a, more of a romantic crush or like more of a friend crush or a sexy crush. Like what is it, some combo of those?
Do you wanna be Milo do you wanna be with Milo? What's the deal?
Mikah Sargent: I, I, so I think it's, it's evolved over time because the crush that I had as a kid, would've been sort of an. Unbeknownst to me kind of crush where right. It would've been kind of, yeah. Wow. I really admire this person. And there's something about the way that they look and behave that I also appreciate.
And then later on was this more of a realization that it was both a little romantic, a little sexual that, you know, oh man, those, those big old glasses and that, that those, those little arms and top big hands. Little for me. Yeah. Yeah, just those little, I mean, Hey, I'm all about it. And I, those angular features too.
Yeah, it, it, and I guess the voice, like I wouldn't have known at the time The sort of cultural touchstone that was Michael J. Fox. But now looking back, I'm like, oh, that's really cool that that was Michael J. Fox, but it just all worked. This is as an aside, it was kind of weird watching it now on a screen with a higher refresh rate.
Sure. And sort of in the current quality that it is, cuz like the voice doesn't quite match the movement of the mouth mm-hmm and there were a few times where they went from. Sort of the characters are more toward the realistic side of things throughout a lot of it. But especially, I, you probably even noticed this during the the fight scene kind of in the balloon, the, the hot air balloon, the, the guy's face kind of turns.
He's so caricature. Right. It's so weird. And it's really frightening. Yeah. Was really unsettling to watch. It went from, you know, he had the standard kind of proportional features to like all stretched out. And this was before he ever sort of got inundated with that energy. And so it just kind of, yeah, it really kind of unsettled me, watching, watching it back, made him more scary.
Syd Anderson: So I think we have some questions, some like more specific questions. So without looking. What color I are Milo's eyes. Do we know? Do you know?
Mikah Sargent: Oh my God. Dreamy brown. Yes. Dreamy brown eyes. Beautiful. yeah, I'm not, I'm not a thousand. I, I have brown eyes. And so that tends to be, you know, a pretty typical eye color for me.
So I, I, I I. My eye, I guess that's a bit of a pun, but my eyes are caught by other colors of eyes, but there are some, I mean, my partner's eyes are brown and there's a uniqueness to his brown eyes. And I think they did a really good job, even though this was just a charact or a cartoon character and a character that his brown eyes, there's a uniqueness to them.
Yeah. They're really expressive. Yeah. They're, that's exactly right. They're expressive.
Matthew Bischoff: Let's talk a little bit about his entrance rewinding back to the beginning of the movie. Like what, what do you notice about him when we first, first see him?
Mikah Sargent: Good afternoon, gentlemen, first off, I'd like to thank this board for taking the time to hear my proposal. Now we've all heard of a legend of Atlantis, a continent, somewhere in the Mid-Atlantic that was home to an advanced civilization, possessing technology far beyond our. That according to our friend Plato here was suddenly struck by, by some CLIs.
So you see the passion again, in, in what he's doing. You can tell that he very much cares and takes seriously this, this passion of his, but. He's also again this, this adorableness where he's sort of falling over things to talk on the phone. Whenever the phone comes up, he gets ahead of himself.
In some places he ends up getting the map, ends up getting sort of wiped off onto his, his chest. And so he has to sort of stand in front of the map to show the whole thing and that frenetic, frantic nature. Is something that I adore as well, because I can identify in more ways than one with with that.
I, I was diagnosed with ADHD back in college and. I know that I can sort of get caught up in things at times and just sort of spitting out words afterwards, afterwards, but it also helps for me to when other people do that I, I have learned over time as a person who does podcasting for a living and in the past, you know, different types of communication for a living to hamper those downsides of ADHD that make.
That can make it difficult to sort of wait for someone to get through their point. And so, but despite that, you know, I can, I can do it, but I really like it when someone's so passionate that they're just kind of like, you know, they're spilling it out for you and you're just eating it up. Yeah. So all of that, that frantic energy and the passion, but also.
An unaware of some of the quirkiness or acceptance of the quirkiness that he has. He's just kind of like, Hey, you know, this is, this is me and I'm doing my best. Yeah. That underdog quality it's all, all very good. Yeah, absolutely.
Syd Anderson: I agree. I think he's a very, he's a very cute underdog and he's just so nerdy and I love the, like everything about him.
Are you always into nerds? Is your partner a nerd? Are we, is everyone around you? A nerd?
Mikah Sargent: He's actually. So I think how I, how everyone defines nerd and geek and everything along that spectrum is so different. Mm-hmm um, I would say my partner is not. My particular definition of nerd, which to me is someone who's super into tech in particular, but also mm-hmm, sort of science and science and technology and all of that.
But I think another definition of nerd. Is one that I just call someone who's very passionate and can get passionate about a thing to the point that it's like an unapologetic passion for a thing. Yeah.
Matthew Bischoff: That's more how I think about it, cuz like, you know, me too, you could be a Cimon nerd or a sex nerd or a whatever kind, whatever kind of nerd you are.
I don't, for me, it doesn't have to be about a particular thing, but as long as you're really, really into it and know a lot about. And that's part of your kind of personality. That's, that's a
Mikah Sargent: nerd to me. Yeah. And so in that way, yes, but I have also been with people who were not nerds. And you know, sort of fell into yeah.
I mean, I all sorts all sorts of people, but certainly the person that I'm with is, is definitely nerdy about the things he's nerdy about. I mean, if you want to have a nine hour conversation about Buffy the vampire Slayer, he's your guy,
Syd Anderson: which my partner probably would love to talk to him about.
So, oh, we go .
Mikah Sargent: So that's what we need to do is like you and I could talk about something and then your partner and my partner can go off and have their conversation they would,
Syd Anderson: oh, they would love it.
Matthew Bischoff: I, I wanted to, there's a few things about this movie that I feel like don't age super. Well, I I'm curious what you think about that, but the one that struck me and maybe we can talk about it a little bit. First is this like, Weird moment when he's like to we're talking about his grandfather and there's this like there's this?
What is it like a wager where they, they have to
Mikah Sargent: kiss? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the, yeah, so the. The yoga instructor or the not yoga instructor, but the, the, the yoga rich man. Yes. He basically said that he would make sure, or if, if he ever found the book that they needed to be able to find Atlantis then he would kiss him also make it happen.
Yeah, it was, it was very weird. Strange. I have to say. So first of all, at that point I had, I, I hadn't seen it in so long that I couldn't remember exactly what the plot was and the whole time I was preparing myself for yoga Richmond to pop up at the end and be the big, bad, and be like, nah, I was actually E all this whole time.
Yeah. And I just folded myself up into a suitcase and now I'm here. So I was really worried because he seemed to be so genuine in his friendship with the, and honestly I got some. Even though there was that weirdness about the kiss or whatever. I got some some, some queerness from, from yoga person, like the way that he looks up at the grandpa who has passed away and the like, just, it wasn't like a, ah, it was more like a.
Right. And I know like people listening, you heard the difference in that, those size. I know you did. I'll
Matthew Bischoff: put a tweet to that effect both in the chat and we'll put it in the show notes as well, because like, you are not the only person that thought
Mikah Sargent: that. Good. I'm glad that I'm glad that I'm not alone in that.
I, yeah, I got some of that. I think there were a few other things. I didn't like that when the gal who works for Mr. Whit. Holga comes in. There's this really sort of sexy jazzy music playing and Milo James,
such. Who are you? How, how did you get in here? I came down the chimney, ho ho, ho my name sort of player. It felt a little bit. What's the gal from who framed Roger rabbit. Oh
Matthew Bischoff: yeah. Lola bunny is. No, no. Jessica rabbit, Lola bunny is from Jessica rabbit. Well, I'm sure all of these will come up in future episodes of this podcast
Mikah Sargent: probably will.
Oh my . It had that energy to it, but I was, I'm curious to hear both of your thoughts, cuz at the same time I was trying to also think like, am I, is this, is this woman in the way that she is You know is appears in the scene. Does she have agency? Is she in control? Is she okay with, you know, cause like if someone wants to look nice and dressed nice and all that kind of thing, we should be able to.
And so I, yeah, I really had this back and forth moment of like, is this music inappropriate at this time? Are we gonna watch him get super caught up on his words and sort of not, you know know what to do and how to handle things and right. I like how we do quickly see the switch from this. Like, I'm just, I'm just the person who brings you to Mr.
Whitmore to quickly. She's like, The second in command of the whole thing. Mm-hmm, competent. So I love that we quickly move into a role of, of competence. And it's clear that she's a lot more than originally met the eye. And then the other thing was, oh, the mole just being kind of a gross character and the, whenever he whispers French into princess's ear, I didn't like that.
That was not a, a good moment. There's a
Matthew Bischoff: lot of stereotypes in this, like in this we're building this adventure party, they rely a lot on St. And I, I do, I do agree with you that, that like sexualization of that, of that character Holga is it's inappropriate. Like maybe, yeah. Maybe she has agency, but like she, she's not controlling the music.
Right? Like that's the filmmaker. Exactly. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Obviously none of this exists and you could write it however you want, but I think that they were relying on that and it's just a cheap, it's just a cheap.
Syd Anderson: It just felt unnecessary. It was unnecessary. Like it could have been done any other way. And I, it could have been
Mikah Sargent: scary music because this woman was in his house or wherever it was his apartment or whatever.
And you know, had snuck in there. It didn't have to be sexy, sexy music unless it was me and MI
Syd Anderson: that that's a different story. That's different. Yeah. Then that, yeah, that felt weird. And then like, I, I agree with the like weird. Sweeping generalizations about like some of the crew members. And like, I don't know, like the French guy in particular was very like weird. Like, I don't know, just like very weird generalization, like about French people.
And I don't know, it felt weird. And then there was also like the point at the very beginning where he first is meeting what more and just. The guy takes off his clothes and changes in front of him. And that was a weird choice. Like, it just felt weird for a kid's movie. Like I think a lot of it would've been like, that's fine for another movie, but it's like, this is a children's movie and I don't know why you felt the need to include it.
Mikah Sargent: Yeah, it was a, again, I think that was just a how can we quickly make this character show that this character's a, a weird person, who's an enigma to kids and they made, they just took the, the easy way out with, with this the, I think, I mean, honestly I think the yoga stuff would've been enough.
Yeah. It didn't have to go any more than that. It could have just been that. Oh, and then the other thing was Cookie calling the one gal Blonie instead of by her name. Instead of calling ho goodbye, her name, calling him, calling her Blonie. I of course am not a fan of.
Matthew Bischoff: No, I think so the one, the one thing that, the one thing that I have a trouble with with Milo is that he can get a little bit mansplaining sometimes.
Mm-hmm um, like he's like, you know, he knows a lot, which is, which is, which is all good. It's all fine and good. But sometimes he, like when he is talking to Audrey about like. The vehicle breaking down and stuff, explaining the mechanics of it. He doesn't really know what he's talking about. He's just kind of, yeah, he, he's just kind of posturing.
Yeah. The boiler in this
Mikah Sargent: baby is a Humack model. P 54 star eight, 13. That week got
Matthew Bischoff: the eight 14
Mikah Sargent: back at the museum. The heating course on the whole Humack line have always been, you know, temperamental. So sometimes you got
Matthew Bischoff: a bone persuade him a little. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much. Shut up. And similarly, like when he's like explaining how to pilot the Atlantian vehicles, he also really doesn't know what he is talking about.
And like, it's just
Syd Anderson: not necessary
Mikah Sargent: sort of vehicle. Yes. But no matter what I try, it will not respond perhaps if wait ahead of you. Okay. Let's see. Got here. Okay. Place crystal into slots. Yes. Yes. I have done that. Gently place your hand on the inscription pad. Yes. Okay. Did you turn the crystal one quarter to turn back?
Yes. Yes. While your hand was on the inscription pad? Yeah. No, well, see, that's your problem right there. That's an easy thing to miss, you know, you deserve credit for even even getting this.
Syd Anderson: Yeah, it was, I think it was like a lot, cause she he's like, oh, did you try this? Did you try this? Did you try this? And she's like, no, I haven't.
It's like, okay, cool. Why did you have to be an asshole about it? Like, like you could have just done it and like not been like kind of weird about it and been like, oh, well it's kind of dumb that you didn't try that one.
Matthew Bischoff: Like, yeah. It's kind of the dark side of nerdiness sometimes. Like if you're really, if you're really nerdy about something and you have, you, you have this, this passion, you don't know when it's not your lane.
Sometimes it's like, it's like, I think it's. Stick that he, that he
Mikah Sargent: would behave that way. That's a good point. That, and that's so true. The, again, I, while I typically do find in a certain inability to read the room kind of endearing, there is a place where it can go too far. Where, yeah, there's that, that issue of, of.
Sort of stepping over the boundary and, yeah, I agree if it, if he was just cuz if he's just translating the text and just saying it out loud, and then we got to that part versus that as, as you mentioned, just kind of Asking did you do this? Did you do this? Did you do this? Yeah, if it was just like, let me read what the text says on there.
That's that feels a little bit more reasonable because that's what it, what he was supposed to be doing. Since they couldn't read that old Atlantian and only have their new Atlantian, I also feel like there
Syd Anderson: was a very weird choice for him to, for Milo to not be able to pronounce princess key's name.
Oh God,
Mikah Sargent: I hated that. Okay. Let, and I'm like, let's
Matthew Bischoff: talk about, let's explain that. What happens. By the way we were never properly
Mikah Sargent: introduced my name's Milo. My name is KGA. Gosh Hey, you got a nickname. Kean. Okay. Keda
Syd Anderson: I can remember that. Yeah. I, so basically he they're like flying around and Milo is like, oh, what's your name?
And she says her name and it's not for, I, I don't remember what it was, but it, it wasn't very complicated. No. And he. Oh, that's too hard for me. I'm like, sir, you're a linguist. You're a, yeah, exactly. You are. You are a linguist. That name is not that hard. Like I've seen a lot of things recently that are like, if you can say the word charcuterie, you can say my fucking name.
And it's like, amen. That like, I'm like, you. You are a linguist, you should be able to get this one. It's not that bad. That was, that struck me super weird.
Mikah Sargent: Like I did not like that. It reminded me of that horrible Ellen video where she's having she's speaking to Marie condo and Marie condo's translator is sort of obviously translating and Ellen just makes a joke out of the fact that she can't understand what Marie KDO is saying.
And it's. This is no, this is it's how funny it was bad. This is, this was exactly. You are a linguist. You literally know the phonetic alphabet. And can. You know, the way that the pal changes make a difference in the way that some, no, that wasn't believable at all.
Matthew Bischoff: What I would say to him is could you glottal stop it right now?
Syd Anderson: oh God, I, I think a lot of it was trying to be relatable to kids and just be like, oh, kids can't say it. So like let's but it's like, no, that's different. Milo is an adult who should be able to figure this out.
Mikah Sargent: There was only like a little bit of relief on the cringe in my heart. Whenever she said that she did have a nickname, meaning that other people in her society did call her Keda as well.
I felt just, just a slight release. I mean, I still felt very cringy about it, but I was like, oh my God, at least she has a nickname that she goes by with everyone
Syd Anderson: else to, yeah, it would've been super weird if she was like, No
Mikah Sargent: oh my God. No, I just,
Syd Anderson: this, yeah, it should. That's what should have happened?
Honestly, it would've like just given him a little bit of shame. Cause I think he deserves a little bit of shame sometimes, but on a
Matthew Bischoff: more, on a more positive note, what do you think of Milo's flirting skills?
Mikah Sargent: I again, I'm drawn to a person who's not posturing. Or they think maybe that they're doing a flirt and it's just like, so not a flirt.
And it's, it's so obvious
Matthew Bischoff: is the thing. Yeah. It's not, it's not subtle. It's not like, you know, like a, a line or whatever. It's just like, yes, you clearly like me.
Mikah Sargent: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I don't think that he's a good flirter at all, but I'm okay with that because I don't really want someone. To there.
There's a, for me, someone would say like, there's a pretty, there's a, a standard difference between just being a flirt and being a try hard. But for me, it's like three quarters of that is try hard. And one quarter of that is flirt versus half and half. So. If, if you're, if you're doing too much for me doing too much is quite a big sort of what ratio of, of what that is.
So yeah, not a good flirt, but that's okay.
Syd Anderson: I know. What's our favorite look. Do we, do we have a favorite outfit that Milo wears in the movie?
Mikah Sargent: Oh, the Atlantian look for me, just because like you get that nice shoulder collarbone mm-hmm collarbones . And I think that the tattoo works well for Milo. It was like, I believe that at that point he knows how to say her name and says it, you know, properly.
I should hope
Matthew Bischoff: so. They're getting married.
Mikah Sargent: Right? Like I know he helps her. Yeah. He helps her like carve her dad's face for the, the crystal deley the heart of Atlantis. And so like he's living his best life. He's gonna be learning so much, but he's also. Delving into the culture and like wants to be a part of their culture, as opposed to him going back with a bunch of stuff and sort of taking, picking the parts of it that he wants and, you know, leaving with it, which is, I, I think is the difference, like picking the parts that you want and leaving and not understanding, or you come in and.
Puts your culture all over everybody. Else's and he's not interested in doing that. Like he's wants to join them and be a part of what they are. So that look is the best for me because it's like Milo living his best life. And also I get to see a little skin in the
Matthew Bischoff: mean time. Oh yeah. Oh, 1, 1, 1, 1 thing that is really weird towards the end of the movie before all, all all gets resolved is. N not only is he a linguist and a plumber and whatever, suddenly he's a military tactics genius and he's like commanding artillery and stuff. Like, you know, the, the fly, the flying scene that we were talking about earlier.
Why, where did that come from? Did he
Mikah Sargent: just read about it? What happened? Honestly, I don't know. I think. I at the same time, it's like whether this is a true story or not, you know, mother lifts car off of child. He wanted to save this society. He wanted to save this individual person and he wanted to undo the damage that he feels, he caused all of those things all at once.
And so by golly, you're gonna do whatever you can. But yeah, I think he's just well read that's that's the main thing I. I have a curiosity about I, at the end, I'm going. Why in heaven's name is princess Keda going, I wish that I, that we could give you more. I wish that we could do more for you when they were part of this whole thing in the first place.
They were no way bad people. Yeah. And sure. They decided to say, okay, no, we can't be bad. People were gonna change, but they were ready to drive away at first. I didn't understand that, like they had guns out. They were that. Yeah. And then they're like, oh, thank you for undoing this. And they give them so much.
Yeah, don't give them all that
Matthew Bischoff: stuff they
Syd Anderson: wanted. They did deserve that stuff. They wanted to teach American children that if they go into a foreign country and they put the smallest amount of energy into not being an asshole, when they leave, they can be an asshole when they're there. But when they leave, they need to be okay with it.
They will get heavily rewarded as American children know
Mikah Sargent: as American children, very well know
Matthew Bischoff: exit through the gift shop. Yeah. Oh my
Mikah Sargent: God, God. Oh my God. It was quite literally that, oh, come here and do some, some culture, tourism, and then head out with some, some gifties. Geez.
Matthew Bischoff: Okay. I, I wanna play a game.
I wanna play a little game called Coplay corner. So this is how this game works. I'm gonna send you an Instagram photo of a Coplay. Someone who has, who has dressed up as Milo. And you're just gonna tell us your impressions. We will put these images in the show notes and maybe maybe even the album art, if, if that's possible.
So just your reactions. The first one is actually official. This one is official was at Disney world for a little while when the film came out, I don't think it was a very popular character. . But this is my little fetch at Disney world officially.
Mikah Sargent: I'm disappointed in the sweater. I think they could have done a much better job on the sweater because what they've done in my opinion here is they've taken the cartoon sweater and turned it into a real thing versus making a realistic version of the sweater that was in the cartoon. If that makes sense.
Mm-hmm , this looks like they sort of. Printed out it, they, they opened up the PDF and they did the, the page, a nation, like poster option. Yeah. Yeah. And they printed out six sheets of the, the illustration. Yeah. And then they put a piece of fabric on top of it and cut it out and then they made it. So, yeah, I'm a little disappointed in the sweater here.
Also the, so the glasses are fine, but again, they, it feels a little bit like it's, it's. More again, it's just sort of cartoony in its in its doing, but I love the book. The, the journal is really good. I, I think that was a, a good choice. I'd ask for a hug. Okay. All right. Maybe
Matthew Bischoff: an autograph. Yeah.
This one is Instagram user mythical rose, mythical
Mikah Sargent: rose let's cosplay
Matthew Bischoff: storyteller,
Mikah Sargent: adventure seeker. Aw. See this, this, I feel more. Works because here we've got like, again, making. Making human making real. What was the the way that the character dressed in the film? Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't know what the difference is.
Like these glasses look more realistic too. I don't know why, cuz they're just as big. But there was something very kind of cartoony about the other ones. Hairline on point there. Very good job. And yeah, altogether again, a nice journal in the hand. I think that's one of the big things is that there's not a whole lot to work with with Milo James tha but I think so if I was to do this cosplay.
I would go with Milo's original look, because you get the bow tie. Yeah. Mm-hmm you get the vest, you iconic glasses. Yeah, exactly.
Matthew Bischoff: Okay. Number three is raging storm Coplay.
Mikah Sargent: Oh, this one's so good. The journal is amazing. Yes. I wonder if that was purchased or made. Yeah, it looks, it looks so good that sweater, I wish I could see that sweater closer because that sweater is literally what the Disney character should be wearing.
As far as I can tell what the, the person at Disney should have been wearing. You see the, like the rib stitching at the bottom of the sweater and then the, the shawl neck the shawl neck collar. Yeah, this. Literally what I would want to want the Disney character to look like. Very well done in my opinion.
Yeah. Yeah. Awesome.
Matthew Bischoff: Well, thank you for those cosplay reviews. That was so fun. Has your, has your crush on Milo and just like this conversation, you know, has it taught you anything about yourself? Has it impacted your, your real life in any way? Like what, what did you learn from this.
Mikah Sargent: That I'm more predictable than I think I am.
Mm I'd like to believe I'm more of a mystery and alwa at least, especially growing up, I've, I've sort of settled into a comfort with not being as much of an enigma as I really wanted to be at the time. But yeah, I, I think I'm. I think I'm rather predictable when it comes to sort of what I find attractive in a person and what kind of person I find attractive.
Matthew Bischoff: Yeah. And it seems like it's been really stable over time too. Like it's, you know, you, you were into this person. Yeah. Initially when you were, you know, watching it and you've been into them sort of
Mikah Sargent: since, since yeah. Yeah. It's, it's kind of kind of weird, but yeah, that, that that's pretty accurate.
So other than that I think that this gave me the opportunity to analyze more in depth, kind of those particular qualities in sort of breaking apart. Just what on the face could just be. As we said adorable is so much more than that. The passion that's involved, the innocence and the face of adversity the, the childlike wonder to have from the world.
And all of those things I, I think are, are attractive in others. And also our goals that I aspire to, you know, in, in my own life and try to maintain so yeah, all around it's, it's nice to kind of. A bunch of words to what could very easily just be defined as a, as a crush.
Syd Anderson: Yeah, absolutely. So I think for our last question to you, we have to ask if you were single or if you're a relationship allowed it, do you think you'd actually want to date Milo
Mikah Sargent: Look if princess Keda and Milo said, Hey we are exploring something new in our relationship. And part of that is an exploration of Of others then I would happily join them. For, for exploration I don't, I don't think I would be with Milo in the long term because I'm very happy in the relationship that I'm in, but Aw.
You know, we could I, I would my partner and I would, would gladly meet up with princess key by way for a weekend in an Atlantas,
Matthew Bischoff: a vacation, a underwater rondevu beautiful.
Syd Anderson: Exactly. My gosh, that is beautiful. I love it.
Matthew Bischoff: Mikah. Thank you so much for being on the show. You can find out you can connect with Mikah on Twitter at Mikah's Sergeant and find all of their stuff@chihuahua.coffee.
Anything else you wanna plug? That's that's going on right now?
Mikah Sargent: No that's, that's all there is to it. You know, the, the, all of my shows that I do too many of are, are all there. And yeah. Thank you so much. For, for having me on this was a lot of fun.
Syd Anderson: Yeah, absolutely. And you can find more episodes of this show@absolutelycrush.com or wherever you or wherever.
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Matthew Bischoff: Before we go, I gotta ask you. My favorite question every week. Who's your current crush and also where can folks find you
Syd Anderson: online? Okay. So my current I've been watching bake off, not, I don't think it's the most recent season, but we're gonna go with Jergen Krause on bake off, who is the lovely German man who I believe was snubbed of the prize.
He. He's
Mikah Sargent: the most magnificent eyebrows in the universe.
Syd Anderson: I know. Right. He's so he just, I want to just like, hang out with him and I want him to bake me bread and I want him to be my friend and I want him to tell me everything is gonna be okay. He has, all of his Instagram is just pictures of bread and like, it's so wholesome.
It's so wholesome. He is my favorite human being right now. And I, he was snubbed. We need, he needs to be justice justice for Jurgen. Yes. . And my Twitter and Instagram are at Sid underscore Anden and I think that's it from me. But what about you, Matt? Who is your crush this week? And where can we find your stuff on the internet?
Matthew Bischoff: Oh, good question. I'm reading this book right now. I don't know if either of you have read it. It's called one last. Stop by Casey McQuiston. It is a queer romance novel. And I have a huge crush on Jane. One of the romantic leads, this lesbian who wears other jackets and knows a ton about music and is just incredibly powerful and hot.
So that is, that is where I'm at crush wise right now. I have been and still am Matthew Boff. So I'm on Twitter at M. And Instagram at Matt B and that's our show until next time stay crushy.